Bestselling author, influencer, and Turning Point contributor Isabel Brown thinks her generation is getting dating wrong. At just 25 years-old, the host of the popular podcast Outdated has amassed a huge social media following—creating content centered around sharing the truth of the Gospel as it relates to God’s plan for purity, finding love, and dating with intention.

In pt. 1 of their two-part conversation, Julia and Isabel share pieces of their own dating histories, talk about why Gen Z and Millennials are so unhappy with their dating lives, and even hit on the pitfalls of dating apps. Isabel closes out the episode by sharing her best piece of dating advice.

Hear more of Isabel’s thoughts on love and life on Outdated, or stay connected with her on Instagram. Isabel will be back next week for pt. 2, talking all things culture and politics!